And Chip wrote the book on Holy Ambition. Rusty Rueff: Shame on us for not having enough ambition to do the right thing. I mean, if we had 250 episodes and this is the first time we've really kind of like dived into ambition. But he's back today to talk about something were probably overdue. And that rings in my mind and has for the last decade. He has heard about the different ministries we've been involved with over the years, and he says, please, please, please tell me that it's hard. And just what does it really look like to be a Romans 12 type of disciple? That was formative in my life.

I remember meeting him about 12 years ago or talking about reference and things with regards to generosity, and then his work came out in Romans 12. Chip has been very, very generous with his time and has spent a lot of time with us. And if you've been listening to the program before, you'll be familiar with Chip. I'm not so sure that our audience cares, but here's what the audience is going to care about. Just want you to know that I wanted to say that maybe I should have said that before we went on air. There are probably some other institutions, but I thought of you.

And maybe I feel that way about Baylor, too.

And I said, I want you to know that everybody everybody I've met from Purdue is an awesome person. Henry Kaestner: I met a guy Rusty, on Friday night who had a Purdue sweatshirt on at the New Canaan Society annual retreat. We are back in our virtual studios together. Henry Kaestner: Welcome back to the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast. Chip is a very experienced pastor and a longtime friend of the show who always provides us with great insights. So how do we balance our God given desire and drive without grasping for that control? Well, today's guest, Chip Ingram, helps us wrestle through these questions by talking about the principles of his book, Holy Ambition Turning God Shaped Dreams Into Reality. We start striving for greatness instead of operating from a place of peace or knowing that God's in control. But sometimes those desires can cause us to enter into a place of willfulness instead of faithfulness. We want to do big things and seek excellence in all of our work. How do we handle ambition? You know, as entrepreneurs, we're naturally driven. Today, we're going to tackle a pressing question for any founder or any leader. Rusty Rueff: Hey there and welcome back to the Faith Driven Entrepreneur podcast.

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